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[00:01:00] Today we're hitting the road in the stunning Clare Valley, where we'll be diving into the story of Cassie from Gleason Collective, who has started a co working space within the ever changing landscape of small business in a vibrant regional hub. From adapting her business model to embracing sustainability and innovation, 20 years.
[00:01:25] Cassie has built a brand that reflects her community's unique spirit while staying ahead of the curve. In this episode you'll hear how reflection and adaptability have played a pivotal role in her success and why she believes these practices are essential for any entrepreneur. So whether you're a seasoned business owner or just starting out, Cassie's insights are sure to inspire and motivate you to take your business to new heights.
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[00:01:59] [00:02:00] Cassie, thanks for joining us today. first of all, well Gleeson Collective here in Clare. it looks amazing, and you've done a great job of renovating such a historic place.can you maybe just share with us how you got started and how you've gotten to where you are today?
[00:02:16] Yeah,
[00:02:16] and just thank you for coming up on your way to Clare.
[00:02:18] for everyone watching, I met Shelley about a year ago, or I'd put it 18 months ago. she had her co working space and was really, helpful with some advice on myself for us getting started here. So I was very excited to show you.
[00:02:31] Yeah, it's great to see the finished product.
[00:02:33] Yeah, and 18 months down the track.
[00:02:35] so my, yeah, I guess my journey, I wonder if a better word, I don't know if I like the word journey. My, the way I've come to this point in time, I went to uni and did a Bachelor of Business and studied to be a property valuer. So I did that for, 20 years. I was a commercial, residential, rural, government, rating and taxing valuer.
[00:02:54] I did the whole gamut of valuations in that time, worked regionally, metro, worked for [00:03:00] a big firm, government department and small firms. So had quite a cross section and tried all of the different things in that field and gained a lot of skills in business, property, markets, understanding markets, that sort of thing.
[00:03:15] So it's a really good grounding in business. I did sort of get sort of midway through and wasn't really loving it. So, but there were aspects about that I did love. So,I then went off and had three children, which was, you know, limited work time, but in that time I was working for the state government doing rating and tax evaluations.
[00:03:35] and then I Decided the thing that I liked about property was the structures, the materials, how they come together, how you build a property. not so much the monetary side of it as in the, what's the value at the end and that sort of thing. And that's what valuation is all about. so then I went and did a, I did the Diploma of Building Design, at TAFE for the kids for a little and I did that [00:04:00] externally.
[00:04:00] and I think when my second child was nine months, I started that and it took me five or six years. Yeah. Yeah. And it was a two, it was a two year course full time and I just, yeah, had to sort of, you know, as babies would come along, things got a bit juggling. Yeah. Yeah. And then COVID as well. that was a little bit interesting.
[00:04:20] But, you know, in hindsight probably gave me more time at home, to study. So I found that a really challenging time to study with little children. And I know a lot of people do it. we seem to do these things. but you know, if your children drop a nap or something, you know, then you're suddenly up studying at night.
[00:04:36] And I did find that really hard.
[00:04:39] Were you working part time as well?
[00:04:41] Yes, I was working. Either two or three days, I used to find three almost hit me over the edge of managing time. so it was, yeah, it was sort of more of a case of the study, you know, do as much as I could around all of the other things.
[00:04:56] So, and I guess a little side note is that I and [00:05:00] my husband and I are farmers. So we run a, my husband mostly runs a cropping and sheep enterprise, in the mid north. So that's busy in itself. yeah. And then, through the course of working regionally, which included up the Spencer Gulf, York Peninsula, I've been to the Riverland, I sort of took any opportunity that I could to get out to the regions, because I grew up in the regions, even when I was working in Adelaide if they wanted someone to go to the Riverland, it was me, I put my hand up.
[00:05:29] And I would always need somewhere to work. So, and then later in, when I sort of moved back to the country permanently and got married, I would work out of Clare. We're sort of 60 kilometers out of Clare. So I'd work out of there. but I could never find a space that was, you know, I couldn't afford my own commercial lease because they're, you know, they lock you in for three to five years or something like that.
[00:05:51] and the expense of it, I didn't need that much space. so I didn't need it all the time. Yeah, I could work out of the car sometimes and often had to, if I was out [00:06:00] viewing properties. So I would then, over the years, I would sort of work with, you know, if an accountant had a room at the back of their office or, you know, a broom cupboard somewhere.
[00:06:10] So you would find something. Yeah. Yeah. And that was okay. Like I, there was, you're still around like minded business people, but it was first and foremost their building and their, their place. So I used to, you know, sort of always have that feeling that I wasn't quite, you know, part of it.
[00:06:28] even though they were really great. so, you know, for a good five years, I had this idea in my head of, creating a space and I didn't, I think in the initial stages, co working in essay was probably quite new and I didn't even know they, that was a term. So, it probably sort of bubbled away for that amount of time.
[00:06:47] and then I was listening to a podcast, about a lady in Grenfell who started a co working space, the collective Grenfell. So I listened to that several times. I then, [00:07:00] you know, googled the population of that town, a little bit less than where I am, and I just thought, you know what, if she can do that there, I can do it here.
[00:07:07] And then in the meantime, I think you had started the Barossa one. So I was like, okay, this is the thing. This is, people are doing this regionally. and that's was the sort of inception of the idea, with Gleeson Collective and, it, it was a good sort of probably 12, 18 months of looking for commercial property.
[00:07:25] we wanted to purchase the property if we could,
[00:07:27] and it the right location
[00:07:30] to come up as well.
[00:07:31] That's right.
[00:07:31] I spoke to you. You're on your way. One minute walk to the main street of that.
[00:07:35] Yeah, that's right.
[00:07:36] We've got so yeah right next to the main street But we've got lots of parking. So there's a few sort of boxes that have been tipped It's as they can probably see from the wall behind us.
[00:07:47] It's a stone. It's an 1870s stone cottage, which was originally a house and when we took possession of it was There was water coming through the roof onto wires There was you know, your [00:08:00] foot was going through the floor in two months and It was almost a knock down job and, you know.
[00:08:06] I can see from the photos where we first met, you know, 18 months ago, it was I could see that vision of going, oh, these walls, you just put, you know, basically had to rebuild the house around the walls.
[00:08:16] We did, yeah. And the
[00:08:18] builder joked that we bought four walls because we replaced everything. The roof structure, the, timber floors, the, some of the walls. And yeah, so it was. It probably was a project that, and, you know, I might mention this a few times, but you know, we bit off more than we can chew and we just chewed really fast and I have a husband that was, you know, semi happy to come along for the ride and, he was, yeah.
[00:08:42] As we make them do.
[00:08:43] As we make them do. And he, you know, initially he, I must admit, was a little bit sceptical about the end result I had done some quite extensive feasibility studies to present to the bank, for funding. we self funded this completely ourselves. There was no government [00:09:00] funding, nor did we use, because we're on a farm, nor did we use any, sort of equity from our family farm.
[00:09:06] Completely self-funded. So it had to be to quite a low, strict budget, for the build. Yeah. And when you're renovating and 1870s cottage that, you know, things come up and quickly Yeah. So the way to manage that was for us to do all the things we could possibly do. So we jack hammered floors.
[00:09:25] painted, we, hauled rubble, we landscaped, we, you know, any, anything we could possibly do, we did, we just kept costs down and kept the project moving as well.
[00:09:33] Yeah, that's it.
[00:09:35] and how are you going today? So 18 months down the track, what does, you know, a typical week look like?
[00:09:40] Yeah. So, We are an eight office co working space and so seven of those offices are private, full time people that come in and they've got their little lockable office and they do their own thing.
[00:09:53] They're, they're a great bunch and we've got, you know, a really great bunch actually in here, like lovely, people. [00:10:00] Lovely banter and community of people that are all willing to help each other out. So they come and go, you know, you never know who's going to be here.
[00:10:08] Which is good because when you're working for yourself or in a small or regional area, it can get lonely if you are, like you said, you've worked from the car or from home as well.
[00:10:18] Yes, definitely. It's great to have a place. Yeah.
[00:10:21] Meet,
[00:10:21] talk with people.
[00:10:22] Talk
[00:10:22] with people, and I, that's probably the thing I enjoy about, you know, having Gleeson Collective for myself living out on the farm. I, you know, I could work from home completely but I love coming in here, having a chat or, you know, there's often, there's a wealth of knowledge in this building and often if you want to know something, someone will know it and they're more than happy to tell things and
[00:10:42] chat.
[00:10:42] And you've also got some, like meeting rooms and, how does that get managed? So do you manage bookings?
[00:10:49] Yes,
[00:10:49] we've got, a meeting room and a private office. slash sort of smaller meeting space,and hot desks at the back as well. So, that's sort of like in that shared space, if people want to come in and use a [00:11:00] desk there.
[00:11:00] And that's, I manage that through a website and a booking platform. So, people just jump on and they book their space. They're automatically sent a code for the back door, that they can, you know, just manage them themselves. And I'll often, if there's a group coming in that haven't been in before, I'll often meet them, you know, for the first time just to show them around.
[00:11:20] And make sure that they're all settled, but we have a lot of repeat people that come up from, you know, Adelaide, Barossa, Kadena, Pirie, we're kind of in that middle ground there. so we do have a lot of, professionals that come across from different regions to either meet clients or they're just doing a bit of work in the regions, so it's great.
[00:11:37] and what about you? How are you, you've built, another aspect to your career? business as well. So what are you doing now? We're moving from that sort of valuing
[00:11:46] roles.
[00:11:46] So
[00:11:47] in,
[00:11:48] at the same time as
[00:11:49] opening Gleeson Collective, another situation of just leap and see how you go. I had finished my study and people wanting me to do [00:12:00] drafting started out with, you know, Uncle Tom or whoever, you know, wanted to do things.
[00:12:04] So I just started. doing some small drafting jobs, extensions and so forth. and I guess that business has organically just moved along, through this process. And, I've been drafting for, yeah, probably 18 months, same amount of time. And so I work out of Gleeson as a drafts person. and I, you know, juggle,between running Gleeson and the drafting, and soon to be, I think next year.
[00:12:31] the books for our pharma enterprise, which we'll add another layer. but you know, a lot of these skills are transferable. you know, if you're managing, the business at Gleeson, I use a program, an accounting software that can have both businesses on that same one. So it's all the same and easy to manage.
[00:12:47] And, so I try and keep my systems simple. low cost, but efficient for myself. Like I, I want them to work really well. I don't want all the bells and whistles necessarily, but I need the basics to [00:13:00] work really well. And, you know, and that has come about through using certain technology that hasn't worked for me.
[00:13:08] And it's one of those things where you try things and if it doesn't work, you I would say, you know, one piece of advice is to get rid of that piece of technology because it's not serving you and it's not actually helping you.
[00:13:19] And sometimes it's worth knowing what doesn't work to knowing what works, doesn't it?
[00:13:23] Yes. do you need to, I always talk about casting a net out and see what comes back and go like, have you tried that? But that didn't really give us the results that we needed. So let's try something else or what else, you know, is there? That's right. Because you don't want to be stuck. For too long, repeating the same things that aren't working.
[00:13:41] That's right. That's going to move you forward.
[00:13:42] And I think that's the benefit of being in your own small business. you have that ability to go, right, that's not working. Pivot. Yeah. Make it, make a change.
[00:13:51] I used to
[00:13:51] love that word before
[00:13:52] COVID. Yeah. It was such a great word. Agile. Agility. It's a great word.
[00:13:57] It's up there with journey. Journey
[00:13:58] as well. I fucking [00:14:00] hate that word. Although I do still think of the Friends episode. It's like. Pivot. But it is really important. It is a benefit and a strength of small business, I think. The ability to go, do you know what? Not working when you go to here. Yeah. We both know from corporate life, to make that change, it could be six months.
[00:14:18] Yeah. And even, you know,
[00:14:21] even probably one worse than corporate is working at government levels because there's layers and layers of approvals that are needed to make change and, that is, you know, That's probably one of the reasons I deviated out of working for someone or a large organization. I just, I wanted to be able to have that autonomy to make those choices.
[00:14:39] And that's it. And you've got to live with your decisions. So if you go, well, I made the call. Yeah. There's accountability that's there, but the freedom to make those decisions. Yeah, it
[00:14:49] is. Yeah. And that's something great. You know, that is a really good thing about small businesses. You can, you steer it how you want it to go.
[00:14:55] And I really enjoy it.
[00:14:57] and tell us about the new initiative that was,[00:15:00] announced last week. I'm hearing it two weeks ago.
[00:15:02] Two weeks ago, yeah. so I, you know, when we opened I had a whole lot of ideas of things I wanted to roll out here and they're still there. There's, you know, we've done some and, you know, and some are just sort of sitting to the side ready to be sort of executed when the times are right.
[00:15:17] But one of them was I really wanted to create a scholarship, to help a woman in business to remove a barrier to entry into business. So I guess if you are starting out, the cost of having an office space is something that most of us can't afford. So we work from home for as long as we possibly can.
[00:15:36] We're out of the car, wherever that may be. the library maybe. until Cafes. Cafes, yeah. Until you build up enough income to, to warrant an office. however, I think having the office helps you build your business quicker because you're around like minded business people, you're within the business community, you're visible, you've got that support network around you, and so that was the idea behind the StartHer scholarship [00:16:00] I decided to approach a small business in our region and I had a few in mind, that I thought would align with those similar goals to me.
[00:16:08] And so, my first one that I approached, is Kelly from Kelly Legal. So she's an amazing lawyer, who has quite a big law firm in Jamestown. And she,her goal, her main goal is to provide legal services for this region that are as good, if not better. And I think they're better than what you can get in Adelaide.
[00:16:28] So you don't have to travel if you need more services, legal services. And she has absolutely nailed that. And she's got a list of people from metro areas that want to come and work for her, and she's attracting really good staff and offering a great service. So she, but also she aligns in the same view of me, of her.
[00:16:46] We were given great opportunities to, we had both had great education. We were able to go on and do tertiary study and not everyone can do that. We understand that and we want to give back to other people. and [00:17:00] so that sort of, fostering a woman in business is something that really appeals to us.
[00:17:04] Yeah. And so,
[00:17:05] you're taking applications?
[00:17:07] Yes. At the moment?
[00:17:07] Yes. The applications are open until the end of November. And so, what it essentially is, they have their own dedicated workspace at Gleeson Collective, but they also, and this is probably more important than the actual physical desk, but they have access to not only a support network in here, because this is, you know, a lot of people around them.
[00:17:29] Yeah, a couple of like minded and inspiring people. Yeah, inspiring people,
[00:17:32] yep. but they also, Kelly's agreed to mentor in the legal side of things and anything business related. I'm happy to mentor as well, another fellow by the name of Tim Davies, who shot a promotional video. He's, he put his hand up and said, well, hey, I'll do the IT websites.
[00:17:48] And he's amazing. he's written a book. He's, marketing guru. Like, so he's, to help in that space and, Kelly mentioned the other day, the person that does her IT who I haven't found [00:18:00] the details yet, but he's happy to help with any IT system set up. So it's a full range of, you know, mentoring, should you choose to, you know, it can be as formal or as informal as they want, we're sort of led by the person that is, onto the applicant.
[00:18:14] And fantastic, and thinking about how that can be a way to help. You know, great things, you know, inspiring business woman. That's fantastic.
[00:18:21] Yeah. And I
[00:18:22] said to Kelly said the other day, what do we want to, what's our goal for this person? I said, just to get them going. We just want to see that business thriving at the end of that 12 months.
[00:18:32] Because, you know, in regions, as you know, we're losing services to big hubs and, You know, it just feels like more and more where we're losing services. But if we can sort of create these, these areas where we've got entrepreneurship and the ability to execute it, we support
[00:18:49] practical aspects as well of, you know, where do I sit?
[00:18:52] Where do I get internet so that I don't have to be out of the coffee house.
[00:18:56] That's [00:19:00] right, you can't
[00:19:00] sit there all day and, you know, meeting a client at a coffee shop if it's a personal conversation is, in a country town is not okay.word travel sucks. It does, yeah, so, so that's that's really exciting and The other thing, and Shelley and I were talking about this prior to recording, is, you know, potentially being able to offer some, some workshops and things.
[00:19:22] That's definitely on my radar here and utilize our space to be able to sort of become that hub where, entrepreneurs or even people that are established that, that think, oh, I don't know about this new chat GPT thing or, you know, something like that comes along, that then you can offer some training
[00:19:39] And also using from our experience of co working spaces is finding ways to inspire people to use a space that's perhaps different to where they normally work.
[00:19:49] Because we know that when we go to a different place and space, our creativity is challenged and we can think of new ideas. So taking, you know, even if you've got a team and taking them out of the, you know, [00:20:00] out of the, normal boardroom sort of environment to being somewhere where you've got, you know, just changing it up every now and again, I think can give you more benefits than
[00:20:09] not.
[00:20:09] Yeah. And I think, that was, you know, a couple of things that were really important to us here when we were creating Gleeson, it had to look and feel nice. So, you know, comfortable in terms of air conditioning and, you know, play gets very cold. So it's warm in winter, cool in summer. Aesthetically had to look nice.
[00:20:25] Like I wanted to create a space that people felt like They walked in, it's quality and they want to be here. They are professional here, but not in a sense that they have to be something they're not, but they're comfortable.
[00:20:36] It fits in with, I mean, it's representative of the region.
[00:20:39] That's right. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:20:40] The heritage of the region. but also the culture of Gleeson. I mean, I think everyone has a horror story of a workplace in where there was really negative people. There was passive aggressive people, there was nasty bosses or colleagues or, you know, lots of [00:21:00] undertones of things going on that stop you working and being productive.
[00:21:04] and so Gleeson is definitely like, I work really hard on, you know, when I'm in here to bring set the tone and we have none of that here. Like there's no, there's nothing
[00:21:14] like that. It's great.
[00:21:15] And I think that comes from you and your intention when you set the space up, like it comes with the.
[00:21:21] The vibes. Yes. So, you know, I think that's really important to then also champion those, that sort of, intention of the space.
[00:21:30] Yeah, definitely. And if you know, and if you see. if conversations do maybe start to get a little bit negative, like just gently steer them in a way so that it, you know, more positive.
[00:21:39] and I think sometimes as well, having, you know, we have six or seven permanent businesses that use this space. They're not related in any way. You know, they're in quite often different industries. Yeah. So maybe by virtue of that, you don't get that as many clashes because you're actually not working together.
[00:21:55] You are working side by side. And, so it's, yeah, it's a great. [00:22:00]
[00:22:01] So what, have you got any advice, as we finish up for, I guess, anyone that's looking to maybe do that pivot, or looking to do something new? what would be maybe a piece of advice to leave us on?
[00:22:12] A
[00:22:12] couple of pieces of advice. Cause we learn lots in this business.
[00:22:16] Yeah, and don't, you know, I've always been not afraid, and as I get older, very much so, to say to people, I'm new at this. Can you give me some pointers on something? So, and for me now, particularly with drafting, I went out on my own without working under someone, which, you know, admittedly was really challenging for me.
[00:22:37] I had been a valuer for 20 years and I knew that job inside and out. And then to suddenly jump into something that you are unfamiliar with as, you know, Rules and regulations like you wouldn't believe in the building game and you know, you need to be across all of that So the way that I did that is that I found some great mentors and often the mentors that I [00:23:00] found that have been So great to me, seem to be either people that are on the tail end of their career.
[00:23:06] So they're looking back in retrospect and they're quite grateful for their career and they're happy to help you or those ones like yourself who are just those couple of steps before like you opened your co working space. And, You know, it was probably still fresh in your mind, and you know when I came on because of all this poor girl Yes, so finding people that are just a couple of steps ahead of you because you know, I think And I haven't actually had it, you know, I've approached a few people and Said can you know, can you help in this aspect?
[00:23:39] Nobody has said no and in return if anybody ever asked me I'm more than because I think it's a bit of a give and take in that sort of situation. So having people around you and not being afraid to say, look, I don't know this, let's help me with, can you help me with this? and I think it was mentioned on one of your other podcasts the other day.
[00:23:59] when you start a small [00:24:00] business, funds are usually pretty limited. you know, you starting up and your cashflow is always difficult. Managing cashflow. And you inevitably do everything yourself. So when I started Gleeson, I did the IT, the marketing, the painting, the, you know, emptying bins, cleaning the toilets.
[00:24:19] And to be honest, I still do a lot of that. at some point, you know, as you go, you might think, okay, I think now the cleaning, I might outsource that because I don't have time. But. Don't feel like in those initial stages that pull to yes, you can and you should seek advice But sometimes if you can't afford it, that's okay You need to run leanly to start with and that unfortunately might mean doing a lot of things yourself but flip side of that is what you learn
[00:24:44] There will come a time
[00:24:46] that you can then outsource and you also then value that outsource You do because you don't know what it takes to clean up To do that,
[00:24:51] yeah, that's right
[00:24:52] And you, yeah, and you can really sort of get a handle on You asking for as well, what you need and what you want to ask for.
[00:24:59] but [00:25:00] yeah, you know, and I have often felt in the last 18 months that pull of, Oh gosh, am I spending enough time on the drafting business or Gleeson Collective? I, and this could be the case if you've only got one business, I'm not doing enough marketing, I'm not doing enough. on the ground of the work.
[00:25:17] am I, you know, am I spreading my time in the right areas and yeah, and then sorry, family and children, but to definitely cut yourself some slack. And I have not been good at that. And I'm really trying to be a little bit kinder and saying, you know what, I can't get it all done. And maybe switching that phone off at eight 30 at your computer and just jumping in front of Netflix and giving yourself a break is to
[00:25:39] be smart.
[00:25:40] I know. So all the problems in life. That's right. That's to be nice. the time and going look at these I've got some great aspirations and things I want to achieve. Yes. I would love to do it in a month. Yeah. Maybe that's going to look like three months. That's right. Realistically. Yeah. Realistic time frames for our goals has been looming for me as well because.
[00:25:58] That's right. [00:26:00] Again, we're very, you know, we love what we do and so passion can drive us for quite a while. Yes. It's also not as
[00:26:07] sustainable. That's right.
[00:26:08] Yeah. Yeah, definitely agree. And I think sometimes I. My husband's definitely my, the sensible head on the team in terms of, sometimes I'll come to him with an idea and he sometimes can be a little bit left field and he'll say, I'll say, what do you think about this?
[00:26:24] And he'll say, I think you should have a cup of tea. So let's just slow down, have a cup of tea. So he's quite, he's a lot more measured and, I mean, I'm quite, I would say by nature quite a risk averse person and that has come with years of being a property valuer, that's, you know, that's part and parcel of being a valuer I think.
[00:26:42] Quite conservative in nature but, now I think I've been let off the leash and I've got all these ideas and, and, you know, giving things a go and if they don't work out, well, move on and do, you know, pivot again if it goes that way. Yeah. Yeah, but it's and it's really enjoyable and the [00:27:00] other great thing I like about business and you know If someone's thinking of starting their own business is that yes I'm probably working harder than I have ever but if I want to go to Adelaide for the sapsizer that much I was in or Take a morning off to have coffee for a friend for a birthday.
[00:27:17] I can I just
[00:27:21] We work hard and we just choose when to work hard. Awesome.
[00:27:25] so much for sharing your, you know, your story, but also your lessons. We love to learn. as business owners, I do say, I'm tired of learning. I just want to be great at it and just let it be.
[00:27:38] Yeah, that is, yeah. I would like to now stop that too for a bit.
[00:27:41] Have a rest.
[00:27:42] Have a rest. But now you're doing great things and I think let's start here. Scholarship is, you know, a fantastic way that you can, you know, continue to empower other small businesses to keep going and thriving in your region.
[00:27:54] That's
[00:27:55] right. We hope it's a start of good things to come with, yeah, with helping people in the regions with small [00:28:00] businesses because I think there is a bit of a discord of Particularly with women, sometimes the confidence and, you know, the support around them, and that comes in lots of forms like childcare and different things, and that's a whole other discussion, isn't it, to get supports around you so that you can start these things and execute them well, so,
[00:28:17] yeah.
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